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Jun 9, 2024, 3:14 pm
#31
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I wonder if they are a member of FT having a shiny gold card! Did their seat row companions not say or do something?! All seems a bit odd for everyone to ignore this person. Whilst many may not like confrontation or to cause a scene, vaping is not a small thing! He may have well lit up a cigarette!
Just when you think the world is trying to end one filthy, unhealthy habit (smoking), weve managed to start up a whole new one with vaping!
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Jun 9, 2024, 3:36 pm
#32
IAMORGAN
The OP said the Seatbelt Sign was on throughout the flight and the crew didnt walk through. So was the OP supposed to disobey the seatbelt sign, stand up, and walk to the galley to report vaping?
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Jun 9, 2024, 4:16 pm
#33
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The moisture in the vape exhaust will set off smoke detectors in toilets when they are used in the toilets on those aircraft with the newer type of detector.
The conditions of carriage cover the use of smoking devices and electronic cigarettes. The way this would typically handled has already been explained but failure to comply, especially when any Captain passes (via the cabin crew) a direct order to cease using the device in order to maintain the good order, conduct and discipline on the flight and to ensure safety which gets subsequently ignored youll find yourself on the wrong side of the Air Navigation Order. Typically its a yellow then red card sort of a situation but one can expected to be met on arrival, along with an email explaining you are no longer a gold card member and any points etc are all wiped off the face of the planet. Of you are on a corporate travel booking those higher up the chain will be contacted with regards to your conduct and why BA will be refusing all further bookings under your name. That was certainly the way by fraud case passenger of a very well known finance house was handled, along with their subsequent charging.
On a short flight with high pax loads and someone determined to hide it, identifying this happening can be difficult so in future do raise the attention of the crew. As others have also said its the heater element the industry has the issue with and second to this the li-on element, but we equally dont ban the use of PEDs so its clear which part we have an issue with, just as we do with certain tools of the hair dressing trade which are covered in the dangerous goods regulations, so its the heater that causes the issue and long with the annoyance of smoke detectors being set off and the fact that plenty of people dont want to smell the strawberry and lime or double apple combo wafting through the cabin. 
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Jun 9, 2024, 4:19 pm
#34
PAL62V
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Originally Posted by Can I help you
So you want the OP to speak to the crew from their seat sitting directly behind the vaping passenger?
That's not what I said. I asked if the CC had walked down the aisle - because if the pax is vaping "for the whole flight" it would be pretty obvious to a passing CC given the smell, if not the smoke. Besides, I would think that a few fellow passengers would be willing to speak up.
And before you suggets that this could lead to harm, I would point out that on board this is extremely unlikely, that on arrival the offending passenger would be detained by the crew as he is clearly breaking safety guidelines and would need to spoken to by authorities - plus after leaving the aircraft, an airport would be possibly the most stupid place to try and intimidate someone with the amount of police, CCTV, etc literally everywhere.
Originally Posted by Can I help you
Trust me as someone who has dealt with hundreds of difficult situations they are best dealt with promptly and directly.
So you do agree it should be dealt with promptly, but you appear to suggest that the passenger shouldn't raise it with CC from their seat, presumably to avoid a conflict, which I have addressed above. How would you suggest a passenger makes CC aware, if they haven't noticed it themselves?
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Jun 9, 2024, 5:01 pm
#35
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Originally Posted by infrequentflytalker
I wanted to, but his demeanour and prominent skull tattoo on the back of his head made me keen to avoid an altercation (!)
"When good men do nothing, evil is left to prosper"
-~Attributed to Edmund Burke, an 18th century Irish philosopher~
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Jun 9, 2024, 5:08 pm
#36
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Originally Posted by Sigwx
The moisture in the vape ‘exhaust’ will set off smoke detectors in toilets when they are used in the toilets on those aircraft with the newer type of detector.
The conditions of carriage cover the use of smoking devices and electronic cigarettes. The way this would typically handled has already been explained but failure to comply, especially when any Captain passes (via the cabin crew) a direct order to cease using the device in order to maintain the good order, conduct and discipline on the flight and to ensure safety which gets subsequently ignored you’ll find yourself on the wrong side of the Air Navigation Order. Typically it’s a yellow then red card sort of a situation but one can expected to be met on arrival, along with an email explaining you are no longer a gold card member and any points etc are all wiped off the face of the planet. Of you are on a corporate travel booking those higher up the chain will be contacted with regards to your conduct and why BA will be refusing all further bookings under your name. That was certainly the way by fraud case passenger of a very well known finance house was handled, along with their subsequent charging.
On a short flight with high pax loads and someone determined to hide it, identifying this happening can be difficult so in future do raise the attention of the crew. As others have also said it’s the heater element the industry has the issue with and second to this the li-on element, but we equally don’t ban the use of PEDs so it’s clear which part we have an issue with, just as we do with certain tools of the hair dressing trade which are covered in the dangerous goods regulations, so it’s the heater that causes the issue and long with the annoyance of smoke detectors being set off and the fact that plenty of people don’t want to smell the strawberry and lime or double apple combo wafting through the cabin.
I had the pleasure of being outside LGW one night whilst staying at the Yotel because someone had decided to take a shower at 2am and have the bathroom door open. Steam from the shower had set the detector off and then therefore the alarm. We had to wait for the fire brigade at LGW to arrive and declare there wasn't a fire before we could all resume our slumbers. I asked about vapes and apparently they could do it too, leading someone to say it would be painful if his flight suffered from the same thing the next day.
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Jun 9, 2024, 5:50 pm
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Originally Posted by PUCCI GALORE
OP - what intrigues me is how could you tell that he had a skull tattoo on the back of his head
What intrigued me was he was a Gold card holder with a skull tattoo on the back of his head. How standards have dropped!!
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Jun 9, 2024, 6:55 pm
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Originally Posted by PAL62V
That's not what I said. I asked if the CC had walked down the aisle - because if the pax is vaping "for the whole flight" it would be pretty obvious to a passing CC given the smell, if not the smoke. Besides, I would think that a few fellow passengers would be willing to speak up.
As someone who has to be around vapers regularly because of my work, the odor is mild, less noticeable than aftershave or perfume (both of which I'm badly allergic to). In addition, there is no actual smoke, it's just water vapor with the vape ingredients aerosolized. It's much less offensive or intrusive than smoking (weed or tobacco). So it would be quite easy, if the vaper times their exhalations, to avoid being detected by FAs walking the aisles. Someone in the adjacent seats/rows would really have to rat the offender out.
The above being said, it is unacceptable for the pax in question to be doing it on a plane. I don't think that OP should've confronted the pax or walked to the back to report him, in violation of the seatbelt light, so I believe they did the right thing. There is way too much violence on planes these days, and there is no way to know how the skull-tatted guy might react to being ratted out.
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Jun 9, 2024, 8:01 pm
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Originally Posted by PLeblond
I was on a flight where the passenger next to me was viewing what appeared to be child p*rnography on their iPad during the flight without even trying to hide it. I reported it, to the crew and afterwards to the airline, as the crew did nothing. Don't know if it lead to anything but I couldn't just do nothing.
They take that stuff verrry seriously in the U.S. If you reported it to the crew at the time, there's nearly a 100% chance that the authorities would have met the flight.
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Jun 9, 2024, 8:42 pm
#40
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Originally Posted by infrequentflytalker
The man behind me was leaning his head against the window and puffing away on a vape in the emergency exit row for the duration of the short hop MAN to LHR so seatbelt sign remained on and crew were busy so I couldnt mention it at the time.
His bag was tagged with Gold tags
Im curious, do BA punish persistent vapers if caught? Is it genuinely dangerous?
Could you smell it? I've never been able to smell vape byproducts. I despise tobacco, but honestly don't see the harm in allowing someone to vape. Maybe we could bring back "vaping sections" instead of smoking sections. They don't produce enough odor to be a problem.
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Jun 9, 2024, 11:53 pm
#41
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Originally Posted by Rebelyell
Could you smell it? I've never been able to smell vape byproducts. I despise tobacco, but honestly don't see the harm in allowing someone to vape. Maybe we could bring back "vaping sections" instead of smoking sections. They don't produce enough odor to be a problem.
Evidence is mounting that passive vaping is dangerous to others - a decent summary can be found here:
https://www.medicalnewstoday.com/art...dhand-exposure
It is certainly not just water vapour being expelled.
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Yesterday, 1:06 am
#42
Markx
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Originally Posted by PAL62V
That's not what I said. I asked if the CC had walked down the aisle - because if the pax is vaping "for the whole flight" it would be pretty obvious to a passing CC given the smell, if not the smoke. Besides, I would think that a few fellow passengers would be willing to speak up.
And before you suggets that this could lead to harm, I would point out that on board this is extremely unlikely, that on arrival the offending passenger would be detained by the crew as he is clearly breaking safety guidelines and would need to spoken to by authorities - plus after leaving the aircraft, an airport would be possibly the most stupid place to try and intimidate someone with the amount of police, CCTV, etc literally everywhere.
So you do agree it should be dealt with promptly, but you appear to suggest that the passenger shouldn't raise it with CC from their seat, presumably to avoid a conflict, which I have addressed above. How would you suggest a passenger makes CC aware, if they haven't noticed it themselves?
You can certainly get 'smokeless' (although it is vaper) and smelless vapes now
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Yesterday, 1:07 am
#43
Markx
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Originally Posted by Dr. HFH
They take that stuff verrry seriously in the U.S. If you reported it to the crew at the time, there's nearly a 100% chance that the authorities would have met the flight.
Normal US overeaction...probably with guns and handcuffs
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Yesterday, 1:07 am
#44
strowger
Join Date: Jul 2005
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It's propylene glycol and vegetable glycerine, not water. I'm not arguing that it should be permitted on-board aircraft, but worrying about those while breathing bleed air and the germs and bodily products of hundreds of other people is quite comic.
They seldom have any kind of BMS or management of the charging current, relying on the cheap-as$ cable they come with to limit it. The thought of people charging them onboard scares the faecal matter out of me.
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Yesterday, 1:18 am
#45
largeeyes
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Originally Posted by infrequentflytalker
I wanted to, but his demeanour and prominent skull tattoo on the back of his head made me keen to avoid an altercation (!)
LOL. So you came to complain about it on an internet forum?
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